SOC344 2018 Tut 2 – Mon 2.30pm

We have long conceived of a separation between mind and body in western society, with supremacy of mind over body. This basic idea that reason should dominate is captured in the classic statement by Descartes ‘cogito ergo sum’, ‘I think, therefore I am’. However, if your thoughts are affected by your bodily feelings, or even your perceptions of how the society around you sees you, then what are you? What are your thoughts? Are they really separate from your body and your feelings? And do we have a better understanding of the relationship between reason and emotion as a society today? Compare Disney’s take on the role of emotions in human action in 1943 and in 2015 (and note that the producers of the 2015 ‘Inside Out’ film considered including ‘logic’ as an emotion, but later decided to drop it). Which of these depictions makes more sense to you?

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21 Comments on SOC344 2018 Tut 2 – Mon 2.30pm

Liam Marsh said : Guest Report a month ago

I think that a persons thoughts, emotions and body influence each other but can also be discerned by reason. The film Inside out shows a more modern approach too how we view emotions, with there being more than one, some being portrayed as positive and others as negative. Whereas the 1943 film showed only that emotions have negative consequences. Inside out also shows that all of these emotions play a part in who we are as people, and demonstrates that sometimes too much of any emotion can become an issue, which also shows the need for reason as well as emotion when it comes to decision making. For example, acting out in anger could have negative or positive consequences depending on how one reasons with that particular emotion and decides what action to take. This isn't showed in either film, with anger (the emotion) always having a negative consequence to actions. The film Inside Out is a great way to help young children better understand their emotions and how they can change the way the view current situations and memories as well, this is shown when the emotion sadness touches what once was a happy memory of Riley's and makes it a sad one. This shows us that we can look at situations in a positive or negative light, showing that our thoughts can and do effect our feelings, which also then effect our bodies.

Adriana Temelkova said : Guest Report a month ago

The notion of "Mind over the body, or the body over the mind" is one that is still important today, as well as the cause of continuous debate. Descartes "Cognito Ergo Sum" (I think, therefore, I am) is a concept that highlights his strong belief that the mind is the prime element that controls the body and without the mind, we would be no different to any other object. Ultimately, the body is seen as a machine that is controlled by the mind only. This concept was recognized and brought to life within modern film, where it displayed a variety of emotional forms, and demonstrated the way that they entwined with each other (through both positive and negative emotions) to control the body's reaction within certain situations. This 1943 film also demonstrated how emotions can affect the individual choices they make, but was displayed to lead the individual to unsuccessful situations. Personally, I believe that both the mind and body are of equal importance and are more interconnected and entwined with one another, working together to survive and provide the best possible outcome for situations. In result, as the modern film provides and explores a variety of emotions and in a more rational way, leads me to relate to the modern film more. #S344UOW18 #Tut2 #Mon1430

Dylan Le said : Guest Report a month ago

From a perspective of someone who is struggling with depression, I personally think that my thoughts inflict fear and anxiety on my feelings, therefore, hinder me from taking actions. However, I do understand that those thoughts are partly irrational because I could distinguish between logical and emotional thoughts. Since a lot of the time, depression seems to habor self-inflicting thoughts, I thought that it would be hard to for a body to funtion like it wants to. Regarding Inside Out (Disney, 2015), the movie explore different aspects of emotions take-over and how productive or unproductive/disrupting emotions can be. Hence, this movie has taken a more critical to rational approach rather than their 1943 approach to emotions, which is very conventional. In conclusion, It is true that our thoughts affect our body and how society perception of us can have tremendous effects on our emotion as well. However, human as an angency can change their persepctive and outlooks into the society in order to change their own worlds inside of them.

Claire Teale said : Guest Report a month ago

Due to being a person who was grown up in the particular era of the 2015 Disney film, Inside out, I do tend to understand the depiction of emotions in human actions in that movie over the 1943 short film. In the 1943 film, emotion was only really presented as being something spontaneous, and often resulting in bad consequences where as reason was depicted as the exact opposite, and works from a logical standpoint. Living in fairly liberal society, being in touch with your emotions and the importance of expressing those emotions is definitely something seen of having high importance, and I feel that reason has become shaped through what we as a society believes is “right”, whether that be from a logical OR emotional standpoint. Drawing from this weeks reading by Barbalet (1998), it is apparent that the 1943 and 2015 Disney films demonstrate the conventional and radical approaches to reason and emotion, and whilst I can relate more so to the 2015 film, I believe that this is more about to being influenced by the current discourse of reason and emotion in today’s society. I can understand how both films depict the relationship between reason and emotion, but I believe that the 2015 film is a better representation of how society sees that relationship functioning in today’s world. ##S344UOW18 #Tut2 #Mon1430

Alannah Talevski said : Guest Report a month ago

'Cogito ergo sum' (I think therefore I am) is still a concept present within today's society. We are constantly told 'mind over matter' and that our brain is the most powerful tool we have as it has enormous control over the way in which we respond to situations based on our emotions. This concept was depicted throughout the 1943 film - however with mostly negative connotations attached to emotion not being monitored by reason. The more modern film demonstrates the different kinds of emotions and their positive and negative aspects, rather than emotions as one concept, therefore making more sense to me as it took into consideration all the different emotions and the way in which they interact with each other to control our bodily responses to a situation. I believe that reason can be influenced by the way society perceives a certain emotion or bodily response. Both film shows that if emotion (or in the modern film's case a single emotion such as anger) is left on it's own with no presence of reason - we have the potential to make irrational decisions. For example, although we may have a strong feeling of anger which may be warranted, reason must intervene to withhold us from acting out irrationally in violence as this reaction would be looked down upon by society as it is dangerous and/or threatening. This shows that our bodies react based on our feelings and emotion and therefore they are not separated. #S344UOW18 #Tut2 #Mon1430

Georgia Higgins said : Guest Report a month ago

It has been recorded through Ancient Greek theories that the mind and the body are indeed, two separate functioning entities. The ideology that ‘reason should dominate’ epitomizes the mind over body supremacy and portrays Jack Barbalet’s dominance of rationality theory (1998). However, I believe that our mind and body relationship is most definitely circumstantial and is dependant upon our everyday experiences. It is apparent through the Charles Darwin’s third emotional function that states, “Emotions are an overflow of thought”. Without taking into consideration the actions of our everyday lives and the unpredictable practices that can occur, it is merely impossible to assume that we cannot cater our emotions to respond accordingly to our thoughts as a result of our experiences. As we progress forward, I feel as though we are gradually establishing a greater understanding of the relationship between reason and emotion. As displayed during the 1943 Disney animation of “Reason and Emotion”, characters responded directly to emotions without considering the rationality of the circumstance and ultimately, their situation and outcome is irrational and harmful. In comparison, the 2015 Disney animation “Inside Out” takes multiple emotions (joy, fear, anger, sadness and disgust) and requires them to be responsible for reacting to the circumstances of the character’s thoughts and experiences. As a result, the characters are more likely to obtain beneficial outcomes. Dropping logic as an emotion assisted to portray the other emotions strength and prominence in today’s society. With this being said, the 2015 Disney film is a more realistic example of the mind and body relationship as individuals naturally sway their emotions according to their thoughts and as a result of their experiences. #S3442018 #TUT2 #MON1430

Bryant Mitchell said : Guest Report a month ago

The statement, when translated, “I think, therefore I am” was strongly backed in the 1943 Disney film. However, nowadays that statement can be broken down in several different ways. Compared to the the 2015 Disney film, the 1943 film in my opinion is much more straight forward. Its primary focus is on how a person’s thoughts truly do effect their emotions and the choices they make. The short film strongly aims at the idea that your decisions and actions are done/based on your thoughts and emotions. However in the 2015 Disney film, “Inside Out”, emotions, thoughts, decisions, and actions are looked at in a very different way. They are primarily based on how rational or irrational a person may act due to their emotions. The film focuses on the idea that reason can be used to properly make better decisions for a better lifestyle. This being much better than just immediately acting on something just because of your thoughts and emotions. For that reason I feel that The 2015 Disney film relates to society in a much more positive way. Compared to the 1943 film, “Inside Out” actually shows a more positive message and more intelligent lifestyle. You must also keep in mind that the 2015 film was released 72 years after the earlier so clearly there will be some differences on ways emotions and actions are depicted. #S344UOW18 #TUT2 #MON1430

Rachel Fatimawoods said : Guest Report a month ago

The idea of the mind and body being separate entities is proposed by the tradition approach (Barbalet 1998); “Persons have no control over the emotions which subvery their thoughts and reason”. The 1943 Disney’s film alludes to reason dominating the human mind, portraying that reason is to be developed like emotions are to be. However, emotions are constructed through different situations and experiences for each individual. It furthermore demonstrates the consequences that may arise when reason overrides our emotions. The ‘Inside out’ film (2015) is seen to disregard the logic and reasoning out of the five core emotions studied by Paul Ekman (Romano 2016). Hence alluding to the interconnectedness between emotions and the mind. As it shows how emotions can both positively and negatively work together, thus showing a more contemporary perspective that they are connected. Furthermore, the critical approach, suggests that reasons and emotion are separate parts that work together as compliments, and that emotions cannot be disregarded from one’s everyday life. Hence, reason and emotion are connected.

Niamh Carroll said : Guest Report a month ago

Throughout time, our ideas have changed on the connection between mind and body and at what point they are truly joined. Descartes ‘Cognito Ergo Sum’ (I think, therefore, I am) concept, can still be used relevantly today in some instances, but with the growth of societies and also the growth of knowledge within the topic of sociology, we can use sociological thinking techniques to question this and decide whether we are more than just what we think we are. Disney’s two separate takes on emotion over the span of 72 years shows how our concept of emotions and how we allow our emotions to be expressed has changed. The older of the two portrays emotion to always be irrational behaviour and fails to show how reason and emotion can be used together - the approach is more conventional within this film Though in Inside Out, the approach to emotions is more a combination of the critical approach and the rational approach - it uses both to show how pieces of our mind work together to reason with each other to try and give a rational outcome.

Matt Rootes said : Guest Report a month ago

It was interesting watching both films and comparing the past to the present. The conflict between reason and emotion in the 1943 animation reminded me of the angel and devil conscience that often appear on a characters shoulder in films. The angel being 'reason' and 'emotion' being portrayed as the devil. I thought it was strange however that the film promoted the idea that emotions will lead an individual into unfortunate situations. To answer the question if our thoughts are affected by our bodily feelings, I believe our feelings and judgements are affected by the experiences we encounter in life. I believe the more recent film, ‘Inside Out’, depicts how our bodies and emotions work together. Therefore, it is clear to see that our society does have a better understanding of this notion. I think it was wise taking ‘logic’ out of the movie as that isn’t an emotion we can feel; logic is what shapes how emotions and how we react to situations. #S344UOW18 #Tut2 #Mon1430

Lauren Wightman said : Guest Report a month ago

The idea that the mind and the body are oppositional, separate entities and that rationality is ‘higher’ whilst emotions are ‘lower’, has been promoted throughout history. Today, I believe there is still a general tendency for people to assume emotions as hindrances to rational action, and thus place the mind, or rationality, above the body, or emotions. However, I also believe that this is changing. As shown in the lecture, modern positivist science undermines the idea of duality and promotes emotions as guides for rational action. Furthermore, in the more public sphere, movies such as Inside Out reveal that there is a growing interest and understanding in the interconnectedness between our thoughts, emotions and bodies. In agreement with Simone Schnall, I believe our thoughts are not separate from our bodies or emotions, as our perceptions and how we function in any environment are a result of how we feel.

Rebecca Teodoro said : Guest Report a month ago

Descartes argues that the mind controls the body, but the body can also influence the otherwise rational mind. In my opinion the mind and body are not separate entities but work as a whole as you cannot physically survive both mentally and physically without one of the two. Essentially you require both to effectively work together simultaneously on order to fulfil your main aim of living. For example, consider when you actually breath. On the off chance that we didn’t have a mind, at that point nothing would control the body’s important capacities for living. What’s more, on the off chance that you didn’t have a body, at that point there would be no plausibility of physical recollections and abilities. The differences between the 1943 Disney wartime propaganda and the 2015 Disney film ‘Inside out’ is that by removing logic emphasises the notion that without a reason or sound judgement, we are unable to think and act clearly or effectively, and as depicted in the 1943 film can also lead to more of a destructive result. Therefore, I believe inside out depictions make more sense to me as it shows the integration of 5 core emotions working together both positively and negatively but ultimately ending with a sound result. #S344UOW18 #Tut2 #Mon1430

Danielle East said : Guest Report a month ago

I agree with the approach that body and emotion are interconnected, in the sense that one cannot not be express without the other. Emotions are expressed through our body language and facial expressions and our body displays the signs of the emotions we are feeling, they connected to find expression and reaction. Society’s understanding of emotion and reason is different today as we understand how emotion and reason can be expressed in the same emotion but shown in a different perspective and how there are different ways of expressing the same emotion. The 1943 Disney film shows that reason needs to be developed and modelled, much like emotions but emotions are a depiction that have no real thought process, each emotion comes with different situations and we know what emotions connect where. Reason and emotions come in conflict but also balance to create reasonable emotional display, but when one is in control more than the other that is when emotion runs wild. Disney 2015 film inside out through an array of emotions displays the effect each one has together, rather than just an individual emotional compounds. Emotions help us to read other people and signal our feelings but also to pick up and recognise those in others. Each emotion brings something to the table in way of expression and situational analysis, to create a judgement and expression that is constantly changing and influenced by different emotions.

Chelsea Swan said : Guest Report a month ago

A traditional approach suggests that reason and emotion are separate entities (Barbalet 1998). To an extent, I agree with this perspective. I agree that reason can override emotion. However, this notion depends on the type of emotion in a situation. For example, Amygdala Hijacking can take over in a fearful situation and can force us to react without reason; such as, hitting someone when they frighten you (Damasio 1994). Nevertheless, a different person could react by not hitting someone in the same situation. Disney’s take in 1943, accentuates that reason should ‘take the driver’s seat’ in the human mind. Which correspond with early philosopher’s perspectives on mind/ body dualism. Moreover, it emphasises the damage that can be done when we let our emotions override our reason; for example, WW2 hysteria. The movie ‘Inside Out’ is interesting in the fact that producers decided to cut logic/reason; out of other core emotions studied by Paul Ekman (Romano 2016). Thus, showing a recent perspective that emotions and mind are interconnected. Moreover, the critical approach (Weber), suggests that emotion cannot be eliminated from human affairs and that reason and emotion are different parts that work together; furthermore, are mutually supportive (Barbalet 1998). Thus, reason and emotion are interconnected. Overall, both perspectives make sense to me. However, Disney’s 1943 take corresponds with my beliefs the most. #S344UOW18 #Tut2 #Mon1430

Amy Garrill said : Guest Report a month ago

The notion that the mind and body are separate influences on an individual has been long considered. The statement ‘cogito, ergo sum’, ‘I think therefore I am’, by Descartes is supported through the 1943 Reason and Emotion film. It presents the idea that reason saves the individual from the mental disturbance and inferiority of emotion. The 2015 depiction of emotion and bodies in the film Inside Out solely focuses on emotions influencing the body due to the lack of ‘logic’ as a character. At some points it can be seen as a negative influence for example when she is emotional but unsure why. This supports the idea that without reason we are unable to think logically. To some extent this film displays the notion of reason being superior, however it does not present the idea emotion leading to insanity as the 1943 film does. It is for that reason that I believe that ‘Inside Out’ is a more accurate depiction of emotion and bodies. #S344UOW18 #Tut2 #Mon1430

Ursula Jones said : Guest Report a month ago

The 1943 short film makes the most sense to me as I believe a human’s thoughts are the primary influence on their actions and that one shouldn't act solely from their emotions. Within the short film it is seen that a human’s thoughts, also known as reason, is the primary 'driver' of a human’s actions. The short film's character 'Reason' acts within societal norms and behaves as one is expected. However, the character 'Emotion' is the complete opposite, acting solely on feelings. When human’s act solely on emotions they find themselves getting into bad situations. The film shows that when one without reason and with uncontrolled emotion things don’t end well. Disney's 2015 film 'Inside Out' depicts emotions as being the core influencer to a human’s actions. An individual acts depending on the emotion they feel at the time. However, within the film it outlines that without all of the emotions present in 'headquarters' an individual's actions can be very unpleasant.

Daniel Izatt said : Guest Report a month ago

The idea of the mind/body spilt or mind/body dualism has been written about extensively throughout human history by various people, the ancient Greeks were divided into two separate groups of though being the materialists and ascetics. The ancient Greek philosopher Plato would view the body as a hindrance to the soul and described it as the tomb of the soul. One of the notable writers of mind body dualism was Rene Descartes who would state ‘cogito, Ergo Sum’ or I think, therefore I am. I believe the mind and body are on entity with the mind having various emotions and states, these assist the body to feel physical things around them. The 2015 Disney film inside out portrays the mind and body and essentially entities, it depiction of logic as an emotion does not make sense as logic is a way of thinking and problem solving, the wartime interpretation from Disney makes more sense as it views emotions separately from ways of thinking such as logic or common sense. #S344UOW18 #Tut2 #Mon1430

Abey Hatzantonis said : Guest Report 2 months ago

Although your body is separate from your feelings, I believe that the two of them interact intricately as one cannot properly function or properly be expressed without the other. As mentioned in the lecture it is suggested that emotions motivate us, that rational decisions cannot be made without some form of emotion being tied to the wanted outcome. The overall message from the 2015 movie Inside Out is that emotions help to organise rational thinking, rather than the popular view that emotions disrupt them. The movie shows the five core emotions are important in how they affect how an individual feels about particular situations and in turn how they respond to that situation. The movie Inside Out, whilst showing how emotions can positively work together, it also shows how sometimes emotions do not always work together. The 1943 animation Reason and Emotion essentially ignores that emotions can create a positive reaction to situations. The animation favours the idea that by “allowing our emotions to overtake our common sense” a lot of damage can be caused, therefore in any situation it is ideal to have reason in control with emotion being more in the background. It is for these reasons that I believe the depictions of emotions in the movie Inside Out is more accurate as it shows how emotions both positively and negative drive an individual’s logic and actions in situations. Although the mind and body are separate, they interact with each other in order for us to make goals and how we react in everyday situations and as said in the lecture “emotions compliment rationality”. #S344UOW18 #Tut2 #Mon1430

Allie Sims @AllieSoc said : Guest Report 2 months ago

I think both the mind and body work together. Two examples of the mind and body split are Disney animations Reason and Emotion from 1945 and Inside Out from 2015. Inside Out uses five core emotions but one emotion that was left out was Logic or reason. By dropping logic they could make Riley separate from her emotions. We don’t choose whether we feel fearful or anger, it just comes to you. What we do with it after that is up to us and that is when reason comes into play. The 1945 animation Reason and Emotion is a propaganda video that discussed the conflict between emotion and reason. “Uncontrolled emotion can cause you a lot of trouble”. The optimum situation is Reason in control with emotion by his side. However the two, as mentioned in another comment, can work together to provide positive results, the 1945 animation ignores this. Inside Out is both a more complex example of the mind/body split and shows the ways in which the body and emotions work together and how they can also work against each other. However it is a more child friendly version. Reason and Emotion is a very simple example of the difference and separation between the two of them. #S344UOW18 #Tut2 #Mon1430

Jewel said : Guest Report 2 months ago

I agree most closely with the comparative approach of the mind body debate. That our thoughts work in connection with our body and feelings to create decisions. I believe Disney’s take on emotions in 2015 is more accurate than the one from 1943. The one in 1943 portrays emotion to always be out of control, irrational and only causes trouble. It emphasizes the importance of reason and that without reason all would be chaotic. It disregards the fact that emotion and reason can work in unison to come up with a positive end result. In the cartoon, it uses the absurd example of Hitler as the result when you allow your emotions to lead you. To be honest this whole cartoon just seemed like propaganda. Disney’s recent movie “Inside Out” looks at emotion as capable agents and yes, they sometimes can over power your thoughts and actions they mostly help you to make decisions. In this movie, it was almost as if the emotions not currently being felt served as reason, which is not accurate but allowed for a balance in the movie of emotion and reason. And showed how together they work best. I think it is more reasonable to assume that these two things emotion or your body and reason your thoughts can be complimentary to one another. This as opposed to disregarding emotions as something that should be shut down or ignored, and saying they play an unimportant role in human decision making.

Keisha said : Guest Report 2 months ago

I don’t believe that an individuals thoughts are separate from their body and feelings, I believe that all three are interconnected and influence one another. I believe the take on emotions that Disney portrayed in 2015 resinates with me more as it clearly shows that all of the five basic emotions are important for an individual to grow in the world around them. Inside Out also demonstrates the darker sides of emotions by showing the effects that depression can have on an individual. Memories that were once happy start to give emotions of sadness instead, also a disconnection between the individual, family and friends and activities can occur. A lot of the time when controlled by emotions, logic is unable to be heard by an individual and thus the decision to leave it out of the movie does not take away from the overall message that all emotions are an important part of understanding the world around us throughout childhood and adulthood. Based on the two films I believe that as a society we have a greater understanding about how emotions and reason control our bodies today and we are able to teach children from an earlier age. The 2015 movie was more children friendly and would be easier for a child to grasp and be entertained by compared to the 1943 version which in my opinion was more suited to an adult audience.

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